I tried the long proofing San Francisco Sourdough with the basic white again. I added some Desem as a flavoring and some evaporated milk for a softer crumb. After bulk fermentation and shaping, I proofed the dough overnight for 10 hours. Then I warmed up the dough and baked the bread. Here are the loaves:
It was a great bake. The loaves still were a bit flattish from the long fermentation. The crumb was soft and the taste sour. The crust was wonderfully crisp. I am working on the measurements and testing of the recipe for Pane Pearl today. I am hoping to wrap that recipe up and post it soon in the Special Recipes folder.
I really love the flavor of Desem sourdough bread. It is actually addicting! It is always sour, and when toasted, it tastes like malted wheat. I made up another batch of Desem, but this time I was more careful to use wheat berries that I had ground and let season (age) for two weeks. I had read that the mills did that because freshly ground wheat does not bake up as well as aged flour. Well, it seems to be true. I got a great development of gluten and the dough handled better. I am really getting a nice open crumb for a 100% Whole Wheat flour bread. Of course, as you know, the only other ingredients are water, salt (I have been using Kosher salt) and the wild Desem yeast. That makes for a nice loaf of bread devoid of chemicals or other ingredients that may have been processed. I have pure artesian water that has no chemicals in it, so I am really lucky there. Here is the preferment that is ready to use for making a Desem dough:
I mixed the dough for nine minutes as that is when it looked done:
After bulk fermenting for four hours I shaped and benched (rested) the dough:
Then came final shaping and proofing:
This time I did not proof in a very warm, humid environment but just allowed the dough to proof at room temperature. It took around 2.5 hours. I then baked at 425 for 30 minutes. Here is the first loaf:
Here is the second loaf:
Here is the crumb, as you can see it is nice, open and nicely textured:
There is a lot more leeway for using and baking with Desem. If you have a Desem starter, I would encourage you to experiment.
I whipped up a batch of San Francisco Basic White sourdough following the recipe at: http://www.northwestsourdough.com/recipes.html I started yesterday in the afternoon and let the dough bulk ferment for seven hours: Here it is after I stirred it down:
I poured out the dough and shaped up three loaves which I put in banneton baskets. I put the baskets onto my cold porch which stayed at 50 degrees F all night. The dough proofed at that temperature for 12 hours. In the morning the dough was nicely proofed and looked like this:
The dough was a bit sticky and tried to stick to the bannetons, which it usually doesn’t do, so I felt that the proofing was too long. I think I was right about that because the bread came out on the flattish side. Here are the finished loaves:
As you can see, flat! Anyway this was the flattest loaf, the other two were a bit higher, but not by much! The flattest loaf:
I cut it in half to use for Garlic Bread for barbeque:
The other two loaves:
The crumb is soft and open, the crust is crisp, crusty and the taste is great! Next time, I would follow the basic instructions closer, not having the second proofing so long unless it was ten degrees colder and kept in the refrigerator. I think it would have worked great on the cold porch if I had caught it at 8 hours proof at that warmer temperature. I was trying to work with San Francisco starters longer proofability. If I had bulked proofed (first rising) shorter like four hours, I think I also could have gotten away with the longer second proof.
Even while I am wallpapering, I was able to do up a batch of sourdough bread! I decided to combine Desem with Motherdough again (see earlier post). However this time I added more Motherdough on the next day following the preferment. If you have been following this blog you know what they both are, if not… Desem is a Whole Wheat cultured Flemish style sourdough starter and Motherdough is a vigorous starter kept in the refrigerator at about 80% hydration(at least that is what I keep mine at). The reason I decided to combine them is that each one is at a peak of sourdough flavor. You haven’t tasted great Whole Wheat until you have tasted Desem bread, and Motherdough brings out the fullest flavor of the wheat, to make a really tasty sourdough. Anyway, I made up a preferment the night before baking with Desem as the starter.
I let this set overnight and next morning, I put the bubbly preferment into the mixer. I added 18 oz of Motherdough which is approximately 2 cups and double the amount I tried the first time I did this experiment. I added more water, oil, salt and Bread flour. Then I mixed and autolysed (rested) the dough. Then I mixed for 2 minutes. I had to mix a very minimum amount because the Desem preferment and the Motherdough both had well developed gluten already and I did not want to break the gluten down.
I let the dough bulk ferment for six hours, however in retrospect, I would only allow four hours next time.
I then shaped the loaves and let them proof….get this…for three hours for the first loaf, which wasn’t enough so I let the other two proof longer and the last one ended up proofing for five hours! (Which still wasn’t enough!). The first loaf came out smallish and the crumb was a bit dense.
The subsequent loaves each came out better. What was so interesting though is the fact that because of the large load of acid from the two already developed sources of starters (Desem and Motherdough), the proofing time was slowed wayyyyyyyyy…… down. That is great! The extra long proofing time made the sourest, tastiest, yummiest sourdough bread yet! The color and crust are excellent. I will be writing out this recipe to put into the Special Recipe folder and it will be called Pane Pearl in honor of a dear friend who is dying of Cancer. Her name is Pearl Wilcox, a very kind and gentle soul.
Next day I actually had the sun out to take pictures by. The first loaf was already eaten and gone! Here is a picture of the second loaf:
Here is the third loaf:
There are a few things I will do differently next time I bake Pane Pearl. I will let the dough bulk ferment a shorter time and then I will allow the last proofing to happen overnight in the refrigerator.
Here is a picture of the crumb, keep in mind that it still wasn’t fully proofed:
It really lacked a nice open crumb. Can you believe it needed at least another hour? Jeesh, I can’t wait to try this bread again. It is unbelieveably sour, tangy and has the most terrific taste. Toast is out of this world good. I can’t say enough about the flavor. My experiments with flavoring with Desem have all been positive. I think it is the way to go when adding a small amount of Whole Wheat flour to the batch for flavor, color and aroma. Desem is better than adding just the flour. It gives a great punch and with the Motherdough sidekick, you almost can’t do better….. can you???….. hmm.. I wonder…
This is the soft sourdough flavored with Desem starter that I mentioned in the last post. I started a preferment the night before using Northwest Sourdough starter. Next morning it looked nice and bubbly. I poured the preferment into my dough mixer and added some Desem starter, oil, evaporated milk, water, salt and bread flour. I bulk fermented for 2.5 hours at which time it was already doubled. I poured out the dough to shape:
It was mostly white flour with just the one cup of added Desem starter. So the dough was pretty white looking. I shaped the loaves and put them into regular loaf pans.
I slashed the dough down the middle and poured melted butter over the whole top of the loaf. The dough took about 2 hours to proof. Then I popped all three loaves into the oven at 425 degrees and baked for 35 minutes, turning halfway.
Here are the loaves finished:
Here are some pictures of the bread sliced and the crumb:
This bread is so good with sandwiches and those folks who seem to miss storebought soft white bread (not me 🙂 The toast made from this Desem flavored soft bread is quite good and highly recommended. Overall, this was a really nice sourdough with a nice sour taste and soft crust and crumb. I really like using Desem to add to my dough sometimes, instead of the cup of Whole Wheat flour sometimes used for flavor and extra sourness. It certainly adds the extra sourness. Have a great bake!
Yep, just messin around. I like the flavor of Desem so much, and Motherdough is beyond great, that I thought I would combine them. I started out the night before baking, with a preferment, using Desem combined with water/flour/etc. I set it out overnight at room temperature and next morning it looked like this:
Then I added some Motherdough which, if you didn’t know, is just using a vigorous starter kept at 80% hydration (for me anyway) and refrigerated(it developes the flavor). The motherdough looked like this:
I added more water, flour, salt, some oil and came up with a nice dough which only took three hours to ferment, although I let it go four. It then looked like this after bulk fermentation:
It was a little on the sticky side, but I shaped up the loaves and weighed them out at just over 2 lbs each and then put them to proof in bannetons:
The proofing rate slowed a bit and they took 2.5 hours to proof and really needed 3, but I was running out of time before I needed to make dinner. So…. here is the first loaf:
(Sorry about the poor quality of pics, no sun outside, and poor lighting inside. I still need a lightbox or something).
The second loaf I baked a little hotter as the first one came out a bit light:
The third loaf:
Here are some pics of the crumb:
The bread flavor is really great! It is a very nice tangy sour. The crust was wonderful, crusty and crispy. This was altogether a great marriage between two great flavored starters. I got the idea of using Desem starter as a flavoring because the Whole Wheat tastes so terrific after fermenting with Desem, I thought it would interesting to use it as the flavoring besides adding another vigorous starter as a complement. I really am having so much fun baking with sourdough. I love experimenting and doing off the wall things with it. I also baked another Soft Sourdough a couple of days ago using Desem again as a flavoring. It came out wonderful and makes terrific sandwiches and toast. I haven’t had a lot of time for posting though. If you notice carefully behind the pictures of the bread, the walls are barren and the wallpaper is ripped off. I am redoing the room by repainting the ceiling and wallpapering. Then comes the carpet. So you see, even though I am still baking, I am extra busy! If I get a chance, I will post about the soft sourdough, if I don’t …. I will continue on…. till next baking day,
I haven’t been able to find the time to post the San Francisco Bread recipe, that I did earlier, to the Special Recipes folder yet. However, I did make the batch again using the same recipe. I decided to call the recipe San Francisco Sunrise Loaf. I came out really well again, I am very happy with how vigorous the dough turns out. I make up a mixture of the preferment the night before and it contains quite a bit of the resulting dough. I let it ferment overnight at room temperature and next morning it is so bubbly and smells terrific! I then put it into the mixer and added the rest of the ingredients. After making the dough and letting it bulk ferment for four hours the dough was doubled. It was a fast ferment. Here is the dough ready to shape:
I divided the dough into three pieces and they weighed just over 2 lbs each:
I then shaped the dough into loaves and put them into the couche:
I let the dough proof for two hours this time instead of putting the loaves back into the refrigerator overnight like I did the first time. Then I baked the dough and got three nice loaves of sourdough:
Here is loaf 1:
Loaf 2 :
Loaf 3 :
Here is a closeup of loaf 1 :
Here is the crumb:
This bread is really nice. It has an open fluffy crumb, wonderful flavor and the crust is very crispy, crusty. I am really liking this recipe. I especially like the way the dough is so invigorated by the preferment, the dough is so bubbly that it is somewhat hard to shape and get all of the big bubbles out of. I have had a great time eating slices with butter, it is soooooo good!
I mixed up a batch of sourdough using my Australian Sourdough Starter. This starter is my husband’s very favorite flavored starter besides the motherdough breads. I decided to use the Two Night Super Sour recipe but make it a one night instead. Well I ended up changing the flour in the recipe too.
In the evening:
I started with 2 cups of vigorous Australian Starter at 166% hydration (one cup flour to one cup water).
2 cups of warm water
1 cup Rye flour
1 cup Whole Wheat flour
2 cups Bread flour
I mixed this together as a sponge and let it set at room temperature overnight.
Next morning I added the prefermented mixture to my mixer and then added:
1 cup warm water
2 Tablespoons Oil
5 teaspoons salt
5 cups Bread flour (approximately)
I mixed the ingredients together and then let the dough rest for 15 minutes. I then kneaded the dough for an additional three minutes. The dough was doubled in 6 hours. I then had my daughter shape the loaves because I was very busy working on my car. I came back in to check on how she had done and realized something I had not considered before. I took it for granted that she knew how to shape loaves. She didn’t. She had basically gotten them into shape enough to put into the bannetons. The dough was flat in the baskets. Almost like it had been poured in. So I took out the dough and showed her how to shape the loaves so that the loaves had an outer skin of dough pulled around the outside and pinched together to form like a casing so that the bread could raise itself up and not turn out flat. If you don’t know how to do this, get some good books on baking which will show you. Jefferey Hamelman’s book on bread comes to mind, he has some great illustrations showing how to shape loaves.
Anyway, the loaves were reshaped and placed in banneton baskets:
The shaped loaves raised for two hours and then slashed and baked:
The loaves were two large loaves weighing over two lbs each. They came out great!
Here is the first one:
Here is the crumb for the first loaf:
Here is the second loaf:
This dough was easy to handle and not too sticky. The crust texture and color came out really great. The crumb is soft and open, and the flavor, as always, is unspeakably delicious. Australian Sourdough starter has an old world flavor that is hard to describe. It is also nicely sour.
Sometimes it seems as if you just can’t get the “sour” you want out of your starters. Yes, last Summer there was no problem, now it takes more work to get a good sour flavor. I am not sure why this is myself, I wonder if it is just the overall cooler temperatures of flour, starter, house and some people bake less, so the starter is left in the refrigerator most of the time. When I leave my motherdough starter in the refrigerator all of the time, it is a sweeter, fuller wheat flavor, definately not a more sour flavor.
Anyway, I have been working with the San Francisco starter and decided to try and coax the sour from it. I have been having moderately sour breads coming from this starter, and really great flavor and vigor. I started with a thicker preferment and fermented it for 18 hours keeping it at around 70 – 72 degrees. It looked like this:
I then mixed in te rest of the ingredients and let the dough ferment for four more hours and then shaped the dough:
Then I put the loaves into the refrigerator overnight for 12 hours. I couldn’t get too many pictures of the process as one of my sons was using my camera to make “Lego movies” and the camera was taped down! Anyway, next morning I took out the loaves and staggered them so they would bake at different times. I had five loaves at not quite 1.5 lbs each. Here are the results:
I sliced the one which didn’t get a good oven spring so we could try it out, it was the only one that came out a bit on the flattish side, here is the crumb:
I made the loaves on the small side so I could share with neighbors and friends as I have been getting a few hints lately 🙂 The bread came out with a terrific texture and already has a sharp taste even though the sour usually takes a couple of hours of cooling to develop completely. Although I feel the experiment with timing was successful, I do think it was at its limit. It did take a lot of high heat to get a good color with me keeping the oven at 450 longer than usual and I noticed that some of the crust was trying to tear in places, if you look closely you can see this. The dough was also more sticky than usual for the stage and hydration it was at. I think the gluten was right at the limit of trying to break down. I am thinking of doing the initial preferment at 12 hours at a warm temperature instead of 18 to see what the outcome would be. It seems to me that if you want to control the “sour” more, you might need a proofing box to help you keep the temperatures at a steady predictable warmth.
Pane Teresa bread is so good! I love this bread. It is so unique… it is made differently than other breads. When you are done, you have a flat piece of dough…which transforms into a light fluffy loaf full of holes. It starts like this:
The motherdough that is used is very active and full of bubbles, if it isn’t, you won’t make good bread.
Then you mix up the dough and let it set overnight, this is after mixing and before Autolyse:
This is after Autolyse and final mixing:
The dough is refrigerated overnight and taken out the next day to warm up. It is then divided. I divided it into three pieces which weighed almost 2 lbs each.
The dough is very wettish and hard to work with. Here is a closeup of the dough resting in preparation for shaping:
The dough is then shaped and placed into Bannetons:
They then proof for two hours. I put one of the loaves onto the cool porch to slow it down so all of the loaves wouldn’t be ready to bake at the same time. I also preheated the oven for a long time. The house was cold anyway, so I gave it a good two hours. I had layered two baking stones together for a lot of heat when the dough was placed on the stone.
Here is the first loaf, it didn’t reach the full potential that the next loaf did:
The next loaf was larger although the same weight:
Here are the two together:
Here is the third loaf, it turned out magnificent:
This is the crumb from the second loaf:
Here are all of the loaves together:
The fragrance of this bread is heavenly! The crumb is soft and moist, the crust crisp and crackly. This is a really terrific loaf to bake up and always a surprise when it springs up in the oven and is so full of holes!